Olivia Raposo (Terceira) Abdow Unedited Transcript


Women at Work: An Oral History of
Working-Class Women
in Fall River, Massachusetts


Interview with Olivia Raposo Abdow, née Terceira

Interviewer: (JC) Joseph J. Conforti, Jr

Interviewee: (OA) Mrs. Dolor ‘Duke’ Bernard Abdow, née Olivia Raposo Terceira

Additional Commentary: (GK) George D. Kelly, Fall River Historical Society
                                      (JR) Joyce B. Rodrigues, Fall River Historical Society

Date of Interview: December 10, 2014

Location: Catholic Memorial Home, Fall River, Massachusetts

Transcriber: Deborah Mello


Olivia “Olive” Raposo (Terceira) Abdow was born in Fall River on October 26, 1928.

Olive’s parents were married in Fall River in 1919. Her father was born in Fall River in 1898. His parents immigrated to the United States from the island of St. Michael in the Azores. They arrived in New Bedford, Massachusetts, where they met and were married, and later moved to Fall River. Olive’s mother immigrated to the United States from St. Michael in 1915.

The Terceiras lived on Choate Street in a six-family triple-decker tenement house surrounded by an extended family of aunts, uncles, cousins, and grandparents. The neighborhood was primarily populated by first-generation Azorean-Portuguese.

There were four children in the family. Olive had two older and one younger brother. Both parents worked as weavers in a cotton mill.

Olive characterizes herself as a “Depression baby” and a “working girl.” As a “Depression baby,” she vividly describes everyday life during the Great Depression years of the 1930s: the food, movies, dating, favorite radio programs, the presidency of FDR, the March of Dimes Foundation, and later leaving school to care for her mother who had suffered a stroke.

Olive married Dolor “Duke” Bernard Abdow in 1948 and began a successful Fall River “mixed” marriage of a second-generation Portuguese-American and a second-generation Lebanese-American.

As a “working girl,” Olive explains how she managed to work and care for her two sons with the help of her Lebanese in-laws. Her career took her to factories in Fall River: the Kerr Thread Mill (American Thread Company), Rondo Knit Sportswear, Nancy Dress Company, where she worked for twenty-eight years expertly manufacturing better dresses.1

She concludes this interview looking back on a life well-lived, with no regrets, but wishing she had been able to have more education.

1The apparel industry classifies garment manufacturing in terms of price points.
Budget or mass market garments are at the low end of the apparel spectrum with clothes that retail at a relatively low cost.
Moderate dresses are medium-priced merchandise, a step above budget. This is the price classification of the majority of clothing.
Better dresses are medium-to-higher-priced merchandise. The fabrics, styling, and craftsmanship are of better quality than lower-priced items.
Designer products cater to the high-priced prestige or luxury market.
Haute Couture and Made-to-Measure apparel is cut and sewn specifically for individual customers and costs tens of thousands of dollars.
Source: http://www.apparelsearch.com/



Note: This interview is unedited and transcribed verbatim from the original recording.

OA: The only thing I can start off with right now is that I am a Depression baby.

JC: What year were you born?

OA: I was born in 1928, 1928, and I won’t give that up because I belong here.

JC: This is an interview with Mrs. Olivia Abdow. The interviewer is John Conforti at the Catholic Memorial Home, December 10, 2014. The purpose of this interview is to record and preserve the memories, reflections and thoughts of working women in Fall River during the timeframe of 1910 to 1950. So we can begin, Mrs. Abdow.

OA: Okay. Like I first started at, I was a Depression Baby but I did go to work.

JC: Were you born in Fall River?

OA: Oh yes.

JC: Yes.

OA: I was born on Choate Street. See my grandmother had a little grocery store and, of course, during the Depression, she lost everything. But we had a wonderful bringing up, my cousins and I. We, we, we had a lot of fun together. We had, we played games together. Today children do not play games. That is terrible. They don’t know what hide-and-seek is, you know, or jump rope. Forget it. Forget it. I don’t know why the children don’t play games like we used to play games. And we, um, my grandmother sat on the stoop while we played games, and, of course, when the light went on, you know what happened – we had to go home. We didn’t stay outside, we had to go home. Once in a while, maybe, if she stayed a little later, or we’d beg her, she would stay a little later, she would stay. But we had to go home when that light went on; home everybody went. And a lot of us, our street was about the size, and, ah, I am trying to think, I’m trying to visualize it now because it was so small. It was so small, but we played a lot there.

JC: Can you describe the house you were brought up in?

OA: Sure. It was a six-tenement house. It was my three aunts, and myself, me, I was brought up there. Well, my, ah, aunt lived on the bottom floor. We lived on the middle floor. And my Aunt Mary lived on the top floor. And that is where we were brought up, in the three-tenement house. My grandmother lived right across the yard in her little apartment, in her little apartment.

JC: Were your grandparents immigrants?

OA: No. No, wait I’m lying. My grandfather was, my grandfather, he was, he was brought up in the Azores. My grandmother grew up in the Azores but was brought up in Hawaii. She had quite a travel, you know. She had quite a, she loved to.

JC: Can you tell us something about that?

OA: Well, I don’t know the name of the island of Hawaii that she was brought in, but when the hurricane came in ’37, my grandmother told us immediately to go home and put the windows, crack the windows, and stay in the house, and don’t go out. Because she says you haven’t, we are going to have a bad storm. We all laughed because we never had anything like that, but we did get it and we got it good. Yup, and she lived there, she lived there, uh, I don’t know how many years. But she came from New Bedford. She came from, New Bedford and she went into New Bedford, and then she moved to Hawaii and she married my grandfather who set up a little store.

JC: She met your grandfather in Fall River?

OA: No, New Bedford. He heard there was a young girl from Hawaii in New Bedford, so he went up and checked it out and married her.

JC: What did your grandfather do for a living?

OA: That’s what he did, he ran the little store.

JC: A variety store.

OA: A little variety store. Yeah. Yeah.

JC: And your parents, where were they brought up?

OA: My father was brought up on Columbia Street; she didn’t have her children yet, but he was born on Columbia Street. My mother was born in the Azores. And uh, that is where she was born, in the Azores. And I went and visited the Azores and I never saw such a beautiful island in all my life.

JC: St. Michaels?

OA: Yes, beautiful.

JC: Do you know the name of the village?

OA: Sure, Bretanha.

JC: Can you spell that?

OA: Sure, B-R-E-T-A-N, that’s as far as I get.

JC: Okay, I’m not sure I recognize it.

JR: I am familiar with that.

OA: Bretanha, she was born in …

JR: That I don’t know, but I know that Bretanha, because that is where my grandfather came from. His last name was Rego. What was yours?

OA: My grandmother’s last name was Ferreira. Her single name was Ferreira.

JR: And her married name?

OA: Her married name was Terceira.

JR: And I know you were a Terceira.

OA: Yes, yes. Yes. So here we meet. After all these years. And we meet.

JR: You are absolutely right. I went to the Azores also and it is very beautiful. And you wonder why anyone immigrated.

OA: From the, well, they were too poor.

JC: Your parents are interesting pairing. Your father was Lebanese and your mother was Portuguese.

OA: No, no. My father, my father.

JC: Your husband is Lebanese. I’m sorry.

OA: Yes. And my mother-in-law was brought up in the convent in Egypt. Her parents had died, and then she came to this country when she got married. And my husband is Lebanese, and they are really a wonderful family. Really. My in-laws are really, they take care of me like I’m a child. They come over here to visit me, make sure I have everything and I have got no complaints.

JC: Was there any difficulty in marrying someone of another nationality?

OA: Well, at the time, at the beginning you get that in everything and everyone, I think. Because when my husband said he wanted to get married, and my mother- in-law found out I was Portuguese, she didn’t like the idea too well. But I am going to tell you, she brought up my two sons while I went to work, because I am a working girl. I worked in the shop, one shop, one shop was twenty-eight years – that’s not counting the others. And my mother in-law took care of my children while I went to work. So really, they are wonderful people. You can’t, and as you meet them and get to know them, you realize what wonderful people they are.

JC: Do you want to talk about your working life?

OA: Well, I used to get up in the morning at seven, get my baby dressed, put him in the car, and my husband would bring me down to work. We’d leave my baby down with my mother in-law, because at the time, for a while, I lived in Westport for a few months, so I would leave the baby with her. But afterwards, my father worked at the Luther Mill. He was a weaver at the Luther Mill, so he would get out at three, so he would pick me up, and the baby, and home we would come. There was always a way that you could have someone help you take care of your child. Really.

JC: Now you worked in the same shop for twenty-eight years?

OA: That’s right.

JC: Which shop was that?

OA: Nancy Dress.

JC: And which mill was that in?

OA: That’s, oh, it was at the corner, way down the bottom of the Avenue, way down the bottom. Plymouth, right down where the statue is. We got the hurricane there one time, too. And Hurricane Carol blew the windows all right into, into the shop.

JC: What was your job?

OA: My job was making dresses.

JC: So you were on …

OA: The better dress.

JC: So you were on a sewing machine?

OA: Yes, and it was the better dress. It wasn’t the, the cheap quality. We worked on the better dresses and made more money. We got more money by working on the better dress.

JC: Can you describe what the mill was like?

OA: The mill was like? Sometimes, one time my girlfriend said, ‘We have a nice carpet down the bottom there.’ We go down the bottom, and it was the … it was a cardboard for paper instead of, they uh, they didn’t take care of the, they should have taken better care of the quality of the, of the um …

JC: The work place?

OA: Yes, they should have taken care. We never had hot or cold water. When I went to another shop after years, I went to another shop and it had hot water! I couldn’t believe it! I couldn’t believe it had hot water.

JC: Did you need permission to go to the bathroom?

OA: No.

JC: No.

OA: No, we had a very good boss. His name was, Ira Tepper; it was Jewish. He came from New York to begin himself, and he was a very good boss. That, I will say that for him. But, uh, the mill’s run down, that’s the way it stood.

JC: You didn’t feel as though you were being overworked?

OA: Well, we were overworked because we wanted to make money.

JC: The more you did, the more you made.

OA: That’s it.

JC: Okay.

OA: That’s, that’s what they called piecework. And we worked hard, and we wanted to make the money, and we made, we made quite a bit of money at the time.

JC: You were working forty hours a week?

OA: Ah, no, thirty-seven hours.

JC: Thirty-seven hours.

OA: Yes, it was something like that. I can’t even think of it now.

JC: Was there a union then?

OA: Oh, yes, the ILG and you had the medical coverage; if you needed anything, you’d stop by there. I know I had trouble with some kind of a – I don’t know how to explain it – some kind of a bug, and they gave me shots for it, and I got rid of it. But they would take care of you. They were very good at the ILG. It’s too bad that it’s closed now. I said that just this week, when we went by it. I says, ‘Too bad that placed closed down.’

JR: Yes, that was down in back of the City Hall.

OA: That’s right.

JR: I remember, I think I remember the doctor there was Mrs. Radovsky.

OA: Yes, yes.

JR: Do you remember her?

OA: Yes, I had her for my examination, and I’d go to her again. They were pleasant, and they were very thoughtful, you know, and if you needed – I was allergic to something – I don’t know what it was, they made me go every week. I got sick of it at the end, I stopped going, but …

JC: They provided a lot of services.

OA: Yes, but the ILG was very good. I mean, I enjoyed working for them, and I, I can’t say, I even had my tonsils removed from them, and I was a big girl by then.

JR: So did you get a pension from the ILG?

OA: Yes, but what happened was, that I, uh, left the ILG. When I left the ILG, the other shop closed down, so I got less money. So, by the time I went to get my, uh, pension, there was a loss there. There was a loss on my pension.

JR: Quite a bit?

OA: Yes, yes, quite a bit. And I don’t think it was a fair deal, but who am I? I am just, just a worker like anyone else. Some people got more, some people got less. Well, I was one of them, I got less. Yeah. There was a shop there that opened up for a while. I worked there for a while over there, and it brought down my pension right down. Right down, it went right down.

JC: Mrs. Abdow, we are talking about your working years. We are talking about 1950s and 1960s. When did you retire?

OA: Well, I retired, that is as close as I can get to it from there, and I was glad, because I didn’t have to drive to work anymore. Yes, I worked up until that time.

JC: Now you said that you’re a child of the Depression.

OA: Yes, I am.

JC: Would you share with us some of your Depression stories? What it was like for you and your family?

OA: See, like my mother went to work right away. She got married, and she went to work. She eloped. She eloped so she stood here and she went to work.

JC: Where did she work?

OA: She worked at the Har-Lee.

JC: Oh, okay.

OA: She worked at the Har-Lee, pressing all day.

JC: Hmm.

OA: So you know that is no easy one there. And my father worked at the Luther Mill. He worked at the Luther Mill. He had to get up at five to walk to the Luther Mill and she had to get up at seven to go to the Har-Lee, to get the trolley, because, at that time, we still had trolleys. I think we did at that time.

JC: You sure?

OA: And she would get on the trolley and go to work at the Har-Lee. She would come home at four. My father was already peeling the potatoes for supper. And we had, we never went without. We had a good, good upbringing.

JC: How many children now?

OA: Just four – my three brothers and myself. And my mother kept on working until my older brother was sixteen and then she says, ‘Well, I, I give up. I’m not working anymore.’

JC: So they were working throughout the 1930s, during the Depression. So they were lucky in that way.

OA: Yes.

JC: Because Fall River was really suffering in the 1930s.

OA: That’s it, that’s why I say in a way, in the long run, I am a Depression baby because, uh, I got away from that. I played outside with my grandmother watching us. And there was my mother, walking to work, sometimes she would walk, sometimes she’d walk to work so she’d have a dime for a cup of coffee. Yup.

JC: Was a different time.

OA: Yup, it was a different time. For a cup of coffee she would walk. I will take a, I will get a coffee today. So she’d get a cup of coffee.

JC: Did you feel in any way deprived, because of …

OA: No, we were all happy, we all played together outside. You know there was nothing. Today’s kids don’t play games. They don’t play like we used to play.

JC: Just one question, when you mentioned no hot water at the factory, or mill. Was your home a cold water flat?

OA: A cold water flat? It was a cold water flat. And my mother get the tub out from hanging on the door, and bring it out on the, and it was only once a week. She’d bring out the tub and we would all take a bath. And then my brothers got old enough to go to the Boys Club – I thanked the Boys Club many times, so they could go swimming – but I had to use the tub. I had to use the tub.

JR: How did you heat the house? I remember my grandmother had coal.

OA: Yes.

JR: Did you have coal?

OA: Yes, my grandmother had coal for, no, she um, there was coal in the house. There was, uh, let me see, there was a, ah, a closet on the back of the stove and there was a chimney. You had the – I don’t want to touch that. You had the, uh. You opened the door and you would get the bale coal and you’d dump it in the stove, and that was what kept the house warm. And then the oil came out. When the oil came out, my father right away changed to oil, because he didn’t want that, said he doesn’t want that in the house. So, he got the oil. But then again, the oil changed into oil again, I don’t know something, some different thing. Uh, that changed.

JR: Kerosene, maybe?

OA: There was the oil and then there was something else.

JC: It could be kerosene.

OA: I don’t know, but, anyway, that’s how we lived.  

JR: Did it heat the house better?

OA: The house was always warm. It was warm; it wasn’t cold.

JR: I’m kind of curious because you are making me think about my grandmother now. How about washing clothes? Because washing machines …

OA: My mother had the laundry. She went to work, she couldn’t be doing laundry, so she got the laundry; it was $1 a week to do the laundry.

JR: They picked it up in the house? And they brought?

OA: And she’d hang it out in the clothes line, on the clothes line, that is what she did. And she would say, ‘Don’t put the heavier clothes; put the lighter clothes, so we can, you know, get it a little more clothes on the clothes line.’ But she always had her clothes line. Everybody in that house has a clothes line. Everybody. Yeah.

JC: Did your parents talk about politics very much?

OA: Ah, my father would say to my mother, ‘Rose, you know, maybe we should vote for this guy.’ And they’d be talking about it. And she looked at it and she would say, ‘No, I don’t like that guy. I want the other guy.’ My grandmother voted, you know. She went to, she voted with the, shawl over her shoulders. And she went to vote. And my aunts would tell her to vote for this guy. And she would say ‘Ah, no, I heard him over the radio, I don’t like him. I want, I’m choosing the one I want.’ She was very independent. Yeah.

JC: How about presidents?

OA: President Roosevelt was our guiding light – really.

JC: Tell us why.

OA: Why? Do you remember sitting around the radio and listening to that radio when he were saying the war was broken out? We were all, all of us didn’t know what to do or say. He, he was a wonderful president. And, you know, Mrs. Roosevelt was a wonderful woman too. She was a very brilliant woman. Yeah, she was a very brilliant woman. But Roosevelt, I think, and when he started the March of Dimes. Do you remember the March of Dimes? March of Dimes put a dime in the little thing there. My father got us card each so that we could put … get a dollar in there. Thank God, for the March of Dimes. I think there would be many more crippled people around.

JC: Did you know he was crippled?

OA: Yes, we knew that; we knew that right from the beginning.

JR: So I am going to go back a little bit.

OA: Go ahead.

JR: To your house.

OA: It had an aerial, there was no antennas. It was an aerial in the house, right? Because I remember my uncle putting one up for us. The aerial.

JC: For the radio?

OA: Yeah.

JR: The radio?

OA: Yeah. They did.

JR: When did you get the radio? That was pretty advanced.

OA: Well, that’s when we got it. It was a small one. But we got a good reception from it. And, uh, we always, we always put on the radio at night. We heard ‘the Shadow Knows,’ Mr. and Mrs. Brent. Should I go on?

JR: Yeah, go on.

OA: And of course, Kate Smith, she was our angel. That we loved. Kate Smith.

JC: Was your family very religious?

OA: My father wanted us to go to church, hear Mass, and we went to Catholic School.

JC: You did?

OA: The Espirito Santo. We went to that school. As a matter of fact there was word that my grandfather helped build that church. Not that he helped build it, but he got in with other, under, with other, how I will say it, other men, together, so they could build the church there. Because way down the end of the road. It is way down the end. So, and we also had two islands down there. And they are gone. They took the two islands away.

JC: You mean in the river?

OA: Yes. We had two islands down there. Because we had, we had the last house, and I used to look out the window and we could see the two islands.

JC: I don’t know, or remember that.

JR: I don’t remember that. That is a surprise.

OA: Yes, two islands where the Bigbury is now, well if you go further down, and there were two islands there.

JR: They must have filled it in.

OA: They did, they did, because someone told me after a while, they said no, they filled them in. I said, ‘That’s not right.’

JR: I’d love to hear you tell me about your mother and her cooking.

OA: Oh, her cooking was delicious. My mother was a good cook. She was a good cook. He made sweet rice, soup, of course, I didn’t like soup, so she would get after me. And my father said, ‘Rose leave that girl alone, because if she don’t like it, don’t make her eat it.’ Because I don’t like Portuguese soup. I don’t like Portuguese soup. But she was a very, very, good cook. But she would get a pan like this and make a big pan of soup. But she wasn’t to cook a lot during the week because she had to go to work the next day. But on the Saturday and Sunday she would, I know already, she would sometimes say, ‘Joe I think I am going to start some stew.’ She would make beautiful stew. ‘So I am going to start it tonight so we can have it tomorrow. So I won’t have to make it tomorrow.’ She would think ahead of time. Try it.

JR: Did she teach you to cook?

OA: Ah, yes, she did. Because when she took a stroke, I took over the house. So I, I did cook a lot, but I don’t want to cook anymore. I don’t want to cook anymore.

JC: You were the oldest child?

OA: No, my brother Joe.

JR: But, you were the only girl?

OA: Yes. I had to do everything. I had to take over.

JC: You went to Espirito Santo School.

OA: Yes, as far as sixth grade. Because my father bought a little house in Westport, so we moved out there. But somehow or other my mother took sick; she didn’t like it. We went back towards Westport but all I went was as far as the sixth grade.

JC: Do you have any memories of the teachers there?

OA: There was a Mrs. Macomber. There was Macomber School.

JC: That’s in Westport.

OA: Yes.

JC: What about Espirito Santo School?

OA: Espirito Santo, well, we had … the real memory that I have was of Miss Cabral. I guess you’ve heard of her.

JR: I didn’t, to tell you the truth.

OA: Well, Miss Cabral taught us how to receive our first communion. She really, really was an angel – really an angel. We all loved her. She was a lay teacher, she wasn’t um, a, uh, nun.

JC: Some of them are nuns.

OA: Some of them were nuns, some of them I wish they weren’t nuns, but they were nuns.

JC: Tell us why?

OA: Sometimes, let’s face it, they have favorites. So sometimes when their child doesn’t get the right answer; it doesn’t work out too well. So that was it. But I stood there until the sixth grade. And, like I said, until the sixth grade and then we moved, like I said to, uh, Westport. And my mother took sick. So we moved back to Westport again and we stood living there for a while. And I had my two children there. My two sons are born, in Westport.

JR: I can see, I can see that your generation wanted to make sure your children went on to school and graduated.

OA: We really did. We really believed in schooling, as much as we could give. Because, uh, some of the places, but, they did well. They are both, they both went to Connelly. Both of them. I made sure they went to Connelly.

JR: Very good.

OA: As a matter of fact, my oldest boy was the first one to receive a diploma.

JR: Very good.

OA: He was the first one to receive a diploma. I said, ‘Good for you, Steve.’ Yeah. I have a Steven.

JC: You left school at sixth grade. Did you stay home to take care of your mother?

OA: Yes. I stood home. And then after a while, the doctor says to my father, ‘Well, you know, Joe, your wife, your wife seems to be doing good. Maybe she can stay alone for a while.’ So he says, ‘My daughter is not going to work. She has to take care of her mother.’ I says, ‘No, Dad, I’m not taking care of Momma. I am going to show Momma how to do some things that I know she can do. And I will come at night and do it when I come home from work.’ I didn’t want to be without work.

JC: So what was your first job?

OA: My first job was sewing on the machine. That was my first job.

JR: Now were you already married when you started working?

OA: No, I got married afterward. I got married after.

JR: How did you meet your husband?

OA: If I told you, you won’t believe me.

JR: Oh, yes we will.

OA: I met him on the telephone.

JC: How did that happen?

OA: Well, I was babysitting my godchild because her grandmother was sick in the hospital, and my sister-in-law wanted to be with her mother. So I was taking care of her. So the phone rings, I pick up the telephone and I says, ‘Hello?’ He says, ‘Hi Hank how about us seeing each other tonight?’ Hank was his cousin. I said ‘I think you have the wrong number.’ And we started, that’s it.

JC: How old were you?

OA: I would say about eighteen or nineteen, about that. ‘Cause I got married at twenty. And he was twenty himself.

JC: Where did he take you on your first date?

OA: On my first date, my first date, of course, where else? Mark You’s. Where do you think?

JC: Did he make a good impression?

OA: Well, I thought he was rich.

JR: And did you walk to Mark You?

OA: Yeah, because, first of all we took, we took the bus to, uh, the Durfee. We saw a nice movie.

JR: Oh, you went to the movies?

OA: That was something. I got all dressed up for that. And I went. I wasn’t even dressed up for that. My sister-in-law called me up and she says, ‘Olive are you keeping that date or not?’ I said, ‘Are you kidding? I don’t even know the guy.’ So I says – so she says, ‘Go out and see if he’s there.’ So I looked out the window – and I lived on Pleasant Street for a while. And I looked out the window, and there he is at the corner. I come back to the phone; I says, ‘The poor guy is at the corner waiting for me.’

OA: And that is how I met my husband.

JR: Did he come to the house and meet your parents?

OA: No, not in those days you didn’t do that. No, he came, I say about a month or so after. I says, ‘Hey Ma, I am meeting this guy I went to school with.’ I lied. I says, ‘I went to school with. So I am going to go to the movie with him.’ ‘Well,’ she says, ‘you be careful and be home by ten o’clock.’ You imagine. We had to be home by ten o’clock? We still had curfews and yup, especially with girls. Sometimes I hated being a girl. My brothers go swimming to the sandbars. Did you ever hear of the sandbars? I couldn’t go, I was a girl. The boys would go. The boys could go swimming to sandbars. I, I couldn’t go.

JR: How about girlfriends, hanging out with girlfriends?

OA: Um, I had my cousins. We were all like friends. Yeah. Yeah.

JR: You went to the movies?

OA: Yes, yes, that’s what we spent our … and then the Strand is close to where I lived. So I would say, ‘I am going to a movie today.’ So that was alright, she would take it, you know? But to say it about go out with different fellas on dates just wasn’t called for. You couldn’t go – Yes, it was further up.

JR: Yes, that was well known.

OA: Yes it was further up.

JC: Your husband had a good job?

OA: He worked as a repairman for, uh, how can I say it – about, um. He did, he did have a good job, and he did washers and dryers. But commercial ones, not the regular ones, it had to be the commercial ones. And he had a lot of little jobs on the side. They’d call him up and say, ‘Duke, my machine is out,’ and he would go up.

JC: So he was working for someone else?

OA: He worked at Hoyt. That was his regular job. But he worked for himself, really, towards the end. He was working for himself.

JC: So, when you were bringing up your children, things were much better than when you were being brought up.

OA: Of course, you had to walk to school.

OA: Connelly. Connelly was right up the street. We lived on New Boston Road – lived on New Boston Road, so all they had to do is walk up the street to get to Connelly.

JC: Why did you send them to Connelly?

OA: Because I, I wanted them to have a good education.

JC: Okay.

OA: I wanted them to have, uh, and they did. They were taught at first by the Jesuits, and you couldn’t ask for any better than the Jesuits for a teacher.

JR: I’m going to just jump back a little bit. Because you mentioned Franklin Roosevelt and you mentioned listening to the radio when the war broke out. Can you tell us about the war years? And who went into the war in your family?

OA: Well, see, in my family both my brothers went; both of them were discharged. My oldest brother got discharged honorably because something, he had something let go in his stomach and they had to send him home. And they told him if you sign this paper – that’s why when I see this about the veterans getting short-changed, I say my brother got short-changed – if he signed the paper, we will give you a discharge now and you can go home. So he was so sick, he couldn’t even walk. I was the one that took care of him; I took care of him and my mother.

JR: That’s a lot of responsibility.

OA: You know, but gradually he got on his feet. Then my other brother went in, and my mother is sitting on the porch and sees the Red Cross coming up and says, ‘Oh no, something else happened. It has to be George because John is already discharged.’ So the woman got out, they knew each other. My brother George was in the Army and she says, ‘Don’t get nervous, Mrs. Teixeira. There’s nothing wrong with your son; he’s all right.’ You know why he got discharged? He was a sleep walker.

JR: Oh, jeez.

OA: He was a sleep walker.

JR: Oh no!

OA: Oh yes, and he was since he was small. And my father had the lock on the top of the door so he wouldn’t leave the house.

JR: Well, that’s interesting.

OA: And the lady said, ‘Don’t get discouraged because there is a lot of them that we had to discharge for being a sleep walker. We can’t have them in the army. They can take a gun and shoot someone. Shoot a friend.’ So my mother, you know what she told her? ‘You know something? You don’t want them, I want them, send him home.’

JR: How about your husband? Did he get called up?

OA: Ah, no, he was just too, he just, uhh, my mother in-law wouldn’t sign the paper for him to go because he used to work in the mills, all kind of hours. He loved it, he loved working in the mills. All kind of hours because she wanted, she’d use his money to live on.

JR: Sure, you had to support your family.

OA: Yeah. So.

JR: They always ask you if you have someone dependent on you before they send you through the service.

OA: That is why he didn’t go.

JR: I heard you drove a car? You were driving?

OA: Well, I drove but not for too long. I hated driving a car. I didn’t like driving a car. I don’t know why, I just didn’t like it.

JR: Who taught you?

OA: Uh, I think my husband taught me. Yeah, if anything, it was on the street in Westport up and down the road, and that was it – and I drove for a while. Then, of course, when he died, I got sick and all, so that was it.

JC: How long ago did he die?

OA: My husband, he’s dead.

JC: How did that change your life?

OA: It didn’t change my life, because what I did was, I started to think what is going to happen to me now that Duke is gone. I didn’t want to lose him but I lost him like anybody else loses their loved ones. And then I said, ‘I know what I am going to do,’ and then I went to live at, um …

JR: In the apartments.

OA: The apartments, that’s where I went to live, and that’s where I have been living until I came here. I woke up one morning and here I am. I don’t know what happened to me, and they said I was very fresh. Can you imagine that? I can’t imagine it. Yeah. So life is strange.

JC: Do you have any grandchildren?

OA: I have five, five, five, five, five, five. Uh, I have six.

JC: Do they visit you?

OA: Oh, yeah. They all come and see Vo. They call me Vo. We always called my grandmother Vo and I stood with Vo.

JR: What do you think of the changes in Fall River from, uh, from your time of growing up and now?

OA: Like my father used to say, ‘I don’t know why they are building all these banks, who has money to put in all these banks?’ But, the trouble, the thing is, it needs to be straightened out a little bit. I don’t like to go too much into politics, but we should have a good mayor and a good politician in there. Someone that’s good that will teach – not teach, show the people that he is willing and able to run Fall River, because Fall River was a great big city at one time. It was a great big city, because I read the book one time. I couldn’t get over it. We had a parade one time, over a hundred people in the parade and it was all from people that worked in mills. That worked in the mills.

JC: The Cotton Centennial?

OA: Yes, that’s it – the Cotton Centennial. Yes. Now, isn’t that enough to be proud of? And then I read a book about this woman that came to New York from, and came to live here with her husband. He was a, ah, lawyer. She said I never saw such a beautiful city in all my life. Because I’ve got – she says, there’s trees. It’s unbelievable how pretty Fall River is.

GK: President Taft came down for that Centennial.

OA: Did he?

GK: President Taft.

OA: See? We had a lot to be proud of. I am telling you we have to do something; please do something, there is so much to be done. You know?

JC: When you look back on your life, do you have any regrets?

OA: I don’t have any regrets, marrying my husband, having my children, I just wish that I probably could have had a little more education. That is what I think I would have liked, a little education.

JC: You were born too soon.

OA: That’s what you get when you’re a baby.

OA: A baby.

JC: Mrs. Abdow, we thank you for sharing your memories with us.  

OA: Oh my goodness, I went on and on and on and on.

GK: It was beautiful.

OA: I wish I had more to tell you.